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Conservatives…death of the RNC

Posted by italco on May 24, 2009

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I was bored and decided to check and see if I could find any life in the Republican Party. Of course, I found the usual suspects who seem to want to insure the RNC dies in Coulter, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Cheney and Rove (the “hate” squad base) but was surprised what I found going on over there.

It seems there are a few who want the Grand Ole Party to revive and continue on. It seems there are many moderate and conservative republicans that agree with the sentiments of Colin Powell but are to “fearful of ridicule” to speak out. The Republican party has hope of reviving in the hands of Colin Powell. Here is a level headed man who is showing no fear of the hard hitting conservative “hate” squad base.

“I think the Republican Party has to take a hard look at itself and decide what kind of party are we,” Powell said. “Are we simply moving further to the right and by so doing opening up the right of center and the center to be taken over by independents and be taken over by Democrats.”

As for Limbaugh – whose name Powell pronounced as “Lim-bow” – the former secretary of state said he was an “entertainer” but who had such influence over the party that officials had to live in fear of offending him. He lamented that RNC Chairman Michael Steele had “to lay prostrate on the floor” apologizing to Limbaugh after criticizing him and that other GOP members of Congress had to be similarly repentant after taking on the radio host.

I also found two unlikely sources who are backing up Powell and disagreeing with the “hate” Squad base (Tom Ridge and Newt Gingrich).

“Former Homeland Security Secretary and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge  joined in the criticism of Limbaugh Sunday. “I think Rush articulates his point of view in ways that offend very many,” Ridge said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “It’s a matter of language and a matter of how you use words. It does get the base all fired up and he’s got a strong following. But personally, if he would listen to me and I doubt if he would, the notion is express yourselves but let’s respect others opinions and let’s not be divisive.”

Ridge also split with Cheney on the vice president’s claim that Obama’s policies were making Americans less safe. “I do not” agree with that, Ridge plainly told CNN’s John King, adding, “Yeah, I disagree with Dick Cheney.”

“Powell also found a less likely ally in former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who said on “Meet the Press” that “I don’t want to pick a fight with Dick Cheney, but the fact is, the Republican party has to be a broad party that appeals across the country,” adding, “To be a national party, you have to have a big enough tent that you inevitably have fights inside the tent.” “I think Republicans are going to be very foolish if thy run around deciding that they’re going to see how much they can purge us down to the smallest possible space.” http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/22902

The longer the republican party follows the likes of the “hate” squad, the less likely they will regain any kind of voice in our democratic system. I am afraid America is headed for a one party system unless the Republican party stops fearing the conservative “hate” squad base and puts their country before their “fear of ridicule”.

 

 

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83 Responses to “Conservatives…death of the RNC”

  1. nite2day said

    Hey itlaco..
    Well the Republican party seems to love drama and wasting time on things that are out of their control. Instead of getting their act together and starting fresh even maybe give themselves a new name…. get rid of the old bags who are a waste of space there, they make people who are making a difference in the country and who are actually working towards improving the situation, much to their disappointment..targets of their stupidity and sillliness. The behavior is so rediculous they have I am sure become the laughing stock of the political world in America! When you have a person such as Rush Limpnuts screaming his ignorant rants, laughing all the way to the bank, behaviing like he belongs in the mental ward! Then you have Michael Steele, who is a huge disappointment to watch and listen to as well.. The rest are a pathetic collection of hasbeens and losers and getting paid for it!! Megahn McCain might..just might do something to change things and help turn that party around. If not, well that party is done with! I do not see them winning anything but a ticket to nowhere if they do not get off the pot and start working as a united group to help fix the party then help fix the country that is so divided it is embarassing!
    Just my humble opinion.

    • italco said

      I love your humble opinion. We are all americans. Time to unite and put country first. I do have a page above “beat the drum” that gives us all the info we will need to determine if we want to vote an encubant back into congress. Check the area you live and see if you like those representing you in congress…if not, start recruiting a challenger.

  2. Auntiebjw said

    I see a lot of arguments from the right wingers that begin on speculation. They build on it as though their arguments have validity. That too has hurt the Republican party.

    There is still a two-party system. However, because of the humiliation, insults and UNFAIR criticism towards President Obama that started before the election and continues, the parties are now “Democrats” and “Obama Haters.”

    The GOP has been buried by Obama Haters. That is what the nation is hearing. That is what this nation sees. It is going to be difficult for them to dig out and come up for air.

    • italco said

      Some of the old timers are trying to revive their version of the party but are getting opposition from both sides. They need someone that rise above it all with ethics and selflessness.

  3. italco said

    Marc – Thank you, I blogg rolled you as well…recommend everyone visit the blogg “In One Ear, Out the Other” they have some good stuff with over 400,000 hits.

    Alfie – Gotta love the Cadilac crew…lol. They do keep it interesting. I had no idea who the red pill was until I checked the blog…all are welcome. I will blog roll you as well to give your say equal weight here.

    Bill – I am very glad to see you. I remember looking at your blog a while back…I like it. My wife and I grow veggies on our deck as well. Welcome sir.

  4. billalmighty said

    yep, it’s a sad day when limbaugh, the “howard stern of conservative talk radio” becomes a more important political voice than a decorated general and former secretary of state, or former speaker of the house.

    the wingnuts don’t realize that using rush and glen beck as poster boys is the equivalent of the liberals using bill maher or keith olbermann as a party spokesman.

    no one will ever take them seriously on a large scale.

    great post!

    • m2elena said

      HI Bill!

    • m2elena said

      also bill, the only people using wingnuts like Limbaugh and Beck as poster boys- are the liberal left and the media. And for the reasons I detailed before. It’s a shame. Here we have N. Korea firing off missiles and test rockets on Memorial Day, and Bob Schieffer and Colin Powell talking about Rush Limbaugh.

      See what I mean?

    • billalmighty said

      m2 –

      so, what you mean is that the wingnuts weren’t firing at the respected general? lol

      c’mon, they were all talking about each other…not just schieffer and powell talking about limbaugh.

      cheney, rove, coulter, glen, and rush himself were all taking shots at the very popular retired general from their own party. lol.

      and the right wing is definitely using rush and glen as poster boys….otherwise the chairman of the rnc wouldn’t have had to issue a public apology to a talking head? (wtf?)

      notice how the conservatives have media guys running the show just like the dems with the “national liberal media”?

      it’s pathetic

    • m2elena said

      nah I think this whole ordeal is a contrived easy slight of hand. I don’t buy into the media paradigm.

    • billalmighty said

      well, talking heads are talking heads…unless you like some of them and dislike others

      then, i guess they become liberal talking heads and conservative experts

      lol

      slight of hand? you sure don’t watch glen beck?

    • m2elena said

      Come on now.. I know you want to pinch Glenny’s Frisch’s Big Boy cheeks!!

  5. Alfie said

    I dropped in of my own free will. that’s a bit of a disclaimer since I’m taking some exception to the response towards the comment from Red Pill who I “know” from other blogs and tags.
    Any number of news reports fail to mention the title of the POTUS regardless of the Oval occupant. Last name usage isn’t an insult in itself.
    Criticism of our leadership is a defining piece of our democracy and history.
    As a right o’ center kind of person I do so hate how Cheney,Limbaugh and Hannity etc. have become the synonyms for conservative. It isn’t right and no more truthful than the tired use applied to elements on the Left. (Hollywood etc.)
    I too have seen a glimmer that I hope evolves into a very bright beam of light in the recent Ridge,Newt, and Powell public statements.
    One of the ironic things regards the GOP detractors is that if they do the right thing and open up like they have in the past they’re somehow wrong.

  6. m2elena said

    Well General Powell admitted on Meet the Press that he voted for Kennedy, Carter, Clinton and of course, endorsed (& voted for) Obama. He has told us that taxes and big gov’t are good. So why would Cheney think he was still quote-unquote “Republican”? Bob Schieffer threw soft balls at him on his program. I’d like to know what “Conservative” policies Powell actually stands behind, and what his ideas are concerning Obama’s policies? I see him as a (forgive this) useful idiot for the Lefties to bash on a Republicans, and push 1-party domination which seems to be their ultimate goal, anyway. Works for Powell, all he cares about is his legacy.

    As to Tom Ridge, he admitted there isn’t 1 Republican he can name that embodies a definition of his wishes. Where are these elusive moderates? … why don’t they take the lead instead of crouching in the corner waiting for public opinion to turn, and it will- given time for these Obama policies to sink in/take effect. Tom Ridge told the CNN interviewer he votes secret ballot -meaning he won’t name anyone he votes for. The interviewer said, “Why should Republican’s listen to you?”

    Good question.
    I don’t see either of those men as being Republicans. And if they can’t move off their party bashing and actually talk about what they believe, which (duh) should be ideologically diametric to Obama’s largest-in-history-government-takeover, then their platitudes and rhetoric do not carry much water. Except they serve as media lackeys and whipping boys for the bitter Liberals who are unhappy with criticism of Obama. That’s all I can figure. I mean Colin Powell says taxes are “good”, big government “good”. What is Republican about that?

    “Americans do want to pay taxes for services,” he said. “Americans are looking for more government in their life, not less.” — Colin Powell

    These faux stories about the Republican party are just a cover for the real stuff going on in D.C., feigned drama. I liken this crap to what those bloated bureaucrats love the most, creation of more Sheeple for them to blind with insignificant banter. I might care about what these men have to say if they actually talked about the state of affairs, or even remotely represented their Party’s stance, instead of voting for Clinton, Carter, JFK, Obama and then lecturing real Conservatives about how to be a Conservative.

    Now as to Democrats talking about the future of the “GOP”… Now if I told you Obama was an extreme radical would you say, Oh you are right, I should listen to you. That’s the hilarity of this whole ordeal. I don’t think I’ve ever spent time pontificating about who the more “proper” face of the Democrat party should be. The more “moderate” Democrat, if you will. No doubt, the man’s a radical marxist, I call it like I see it. But I would be wasting my effort trying to tell the opposing party exactly “who” to elect. Did did you think Obama would be president 8 months before the election? I mean he arose from nowhere. (Seemingly ha ha) … come on. After Carter we got Reagan, and no one needs to care about who is in charge of Republicans now… because Democrats (under no checks and balances) are destroying this country, and they will take the fall for it, since they are the majority in power … No matter if their think-tank drivel bogs up the air waves with useless tripe about RINOs.

    http://bit.ly/yd7XK

    • italco said

      M2 – You never fail to impress me with the way you write. I don’t agree with you about President Obama being a radical or a marxist but understand your fear of him. He is definately an intelligent man with swagger and confidence.

      It kind of makes you nervous just how much power he now has since the fall of the republican party. My post is not a hatred towards republicans. It is an attempt to wake them up. 2010 is huge for the republican party…88% of congress is being elected. This past congress (both dems and reps) are guilty of wrong doing. I am not sure if the republicans have the abilty to root out the corrupt dems, but can almost guarantee the corrupt republicans in congress won’t stand a chance. Talk about a domination of one party. I blame the “hate” squad…this will be their fault. Their contempt will back fire just like McCain and Palin did…not a good thing for this country.

      You are right in the sense that President Obama has a majority in congress and from this point forward carries the burden of success or failure on his sholders. It was one thing, in the beginning, to say that President Bush’s administration sunk our country. The success of this country now, rides on the back of the democrats and President Obama. Cross your fingers and hope the changes work. There is not enough time passed to make that determination. I am giving him at least 2 years before I say the changes worked or failed. Time will tell.

    • m2elena said

      I think if a conservative the caliber of Limbaugh were in Obama’s place- you’d be talking about his extremism. So I just see it as the opposite. I can’t help but think he is an extremist President and his record since assuming office proves as much to me. I understand you’re not beating on Conservatives… But when liberals (who voted for Obama) talk about who should be the great Conservative leader… we all say, “uh huh”… reverse the situation.

      At any rate, the media covered for Obama’s history and connections, he came off looking like a sweet change-rose in a time when people could place their own wishes on him. I knew what he was, and he is showing it to me day-to-day.

      But I expect no one to take my POV. I just know what I think and believe in my convictions.

      Obama the NYT and ACORN

      ACORN will be handling the Census.
      If people don’t start speaking out about the Corruption happening before our very eyes now… it will be 2 late.
      And 1-party domination will be the death of our Constitutional Republic and Democracy.

    • m2elena said

      2 late?

      Ha ha.. my text message lingo snuck in there and I didn’t even realize it. “too late”… ha ha ha…

    • italco said

      M2 – no doubt that you are entitled to feel and believe what you want and one day I might even join you. I am going to give his policies an oportunity to work just like I did president Bush. I didn’t vote for Bush in either election, but once he was POTUS I got behind him and backed him until I saw the damage his administration was doing (3 years into his first term). I haven’t seen that from the far right…it all comes across as poor sportsman like conduct when the focus shouldn’t be on our POTUS…it should be on our congress. To me, that isn’t putting country before party.

    • billalmighty said

      m2elena said
      May 26, 2009 at 11:36 am

      Well General Powell admitted on Meet the Press that he voted for Kennedy, Carter, Clinton and of course, endorsed (& voted for) Obama. He has told us that taxes and big gov’t are good. So why would Cheney think he was still quote-unquote “Republican”? Bob Schieffer threw soft balls at him on his program. I’d like to know what “Conservative” policies Powell actually stands behind, and what his ideas are concerning Obama’s policies? I see him as a (forgive this) useful idiot for the Lefties to bash on a Republicans, and push 1-party domination which seems to be their ultimate goal, anyway. Works for Powell, all he cares about is his legacy.

      As to Tom Ridge, he admitted there isn’t 1 Republican he can name that embodies a definition of his wishes. Where are these elusive moderates? … why don’t they take the lead instead of crouching in the corner waiting for public opinion to turn, and it will- given time for these Obama policies to sink in/take effect. Tom Ridge told the CNN interviewer he votes secret ballot -meaning he won’t name anyone he votes for. The interviewer said, “Why should Republican’s listen to you?”

      Good question.
      I don’t see either of those men as being Republicans. And if they can’t move off their party bashing and actually talk about what they believe, which (duh) should be ideologically diametric to Obama’s largest-in-history-government-takeover, then their platitudes and rhetoric do not carry much water. Except they serve as media lackeys and whipping boys for the bitter Liberals who are unhappy with criticism of Obama. That’s all I can figure. I mean Colin Powell says taxes are “good”, big government “good”. What is Republican about that?

      M2_

      the problem here seems to be that the conservatives have this all backwards.

      Successful Republicans are traditionally moderate and have a much better appeal to voters than the right wing fanatics who have tried to call themselves republicans here lately.

      the conservatives need to stop trying to lay claim to an otherwise popular republican party, and form a conservative party. their numbers are too weak, however, which is why they continue to try to hijack the republican party as their own. who cares if they slander and cast out some of the solid politicians who actually helped the party’s image with the public instead of alienating them? lol.

      as long as rush, rove, beck, cheney, hannity, palin, or any other wingnuts are involved, the republicans will continue to be rejected by voters and lose elections.

      and btw, do you really think if obama turns out to be a total asshole from the left, that america is going to go running to asshole central on the right for a cure?

      well, you’re probably right about that one, dammit. 😉

    • m2elena said

      No, I was saying as much as people think right pundits (and by ppl, I mean the liberal and the media), are extremists, there are others who say as much about Obama (a Marxist). I wouldn’t want a pundit ideological head for my Commander in Chief. But we have one right now.

      I don’t care about Powell, Limbaugh. So until Powell says something remotely Republican- instead of saying ‘American’s want more taxes and bigger gov’t’, I will consider him a RINO. Everyone has their own opinions, that’s mine.

      There are bigger issues than fabricated think-tank stories.

      fact is, these lame polls that come out “is Rush the head of the Rep. Party” were put on by a Clintonite Group headed by James Carville and Stanley Greenburg. LOL Since Carville is about the same as Rush, I don’t give a crap what big story they cook up. If I spent this much time talking about Olbermann? It’s lunacy. So I’ll repeat: There are bigger issues than fabricated think-tank stories. We also got a Reagan after 4 years of a Carter. In 2007, 08 no one thought this extreme Leftist would be President. Things change. And fast. Look at these first 5 months. http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/20/news/economy/fed_minutes/index.htm

      LOL … Thanks Bill. 🙂

    • billalmighty said

      m2- i’m with you that obama is extremist. totally liberal…no argument

      I don’t follow you , however, when you try to make the assertion that bill clinton, james carville, or the liberal media, or liberals in general or anyone else is making conservative media heads the poster boys for their cause.

      I’m sorry, but that is not another liberal conspiracy.

      further, what would make you feel the need to divert the “blame” for that to someone else? do you see having rush and glen at the daily helm of the movement as a negative?

    • m2elena said

      the only people I see reveling in this ridiculosity is liberals on the net and the media. Have I made any blog posts about rush limbaugh being a defacto head of republicans? No, and he said he wasn’t from the get-go, and it’s fact the Carville and Greenberg group formulated the polls about Limbaugh to drive and set media agenda.

      In fact, I think Carville is on the record talking about when they pull-back on it, (which lo and behold, they did) and moved on to the next think-tank drivel story. 7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

      Anywho, I’m only responding to the media misinformation and liberal (see the comments on here?) perpetration of continuing a vacuous issue. After Carter we got Reagan.

      Though I’m not sure there will be a U.S.A. when Obama’s duty is up in 4 years (LOL!!! *slaps italco on the back*) I’m just joking buddy.. sort of. 😉 Any of my thoughts to further highlight this particular issue were stated quite lengthly in my first comment.

      Spanks. 🙂

    • m2elena said

      oh and as to the commenter statement, pretty much everyone on this thread have voted for Obama. (Because most of them said so on ireport), so that leaves me, you (Bill), and red pill. And out of us 3, only me, and red pill agree this is a media contrived non-issue meant to lead Sheeple around, while N. Korea fires off missiles and the economy slumps even worse now than 3 months ago. So I stand by my statement of misinformation (more like no information media) and liberals. I wonder what liberals would say if I sat around saying “Jim Webb. Now he’s a great Democrat.” .. ha ha. Or mirror the issue, “Al Franken— in the Senate? The Democrat party needs to shape up. They should elect Mitt Romney.” Ha ha ha …

      Spanks again.

    • billalmighty said

      m2 said

      and it’s fact the Carville and Greenberg group formulated the polls about Limbaugh to drive and set media agenda.

      In fact, I think Carville is on the record talking about when they pull-back on it, (which lo and behold, they did) and moved on to the next think-tank drivel story. 7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

      m2-even with this being true, this poll and the liberal media are NOT the reason the extreme right loves and uses rush and glen beck as their party leaders….do you get that? how can you blame the liberals for who the conservatives love and choose to follow? that makes no sense to me.

      reply if you want, drop it if you want…

      it’s not my post or blog, i just commented on it, and you replied to my comment. acting like i’m keeping a non-issue going here is not an argument you should make towards me

      😛

    • billalmighty said

      and everything is not a liberal media conspiracy. that’s a conservative crutch that’s over-used and promoted by fox news

    • m2elena said

      bill, what republicans in congress use Rush as their party leaders? Did you know in a poll, Cheney comes out first, Powell second, Rush third -only Reps polled. They (in Congress) don’t want to go near him. The Republican party is reforming, but after 5 months of a Marxist’s rise to power, that’s hardly any time to speculate about who will be the leader in 2012. Obama emerged from the ashes of the Democrat’s smear campaign for 6 years… and though he had been vetted by George Soros to be President in 2006, no on here probably knew who of him until Oprah endorsed him. LOL

      It just doesn’t matter to me. And I am a registered Republican.
      I’m not acting like you are keeping it a non-issue, sorry if that came out wrong. I was just having friendly dialog with you (specifically), but I do think this [non issue] is perpetrated on the national media scale and by many ideological liberals. That’s all I meant.

      well I’m going for a walk! Thanks Bill!

    • m2elena said

      I didn’t say “liberal” media. I said “media” and liberals. Ka-Pow!
      😀

    • billalmighty said

      cool. i just disagree your belief that the liberal media is somehow brainwashing the fox news audience and rush’s radio audience into making them the #1 talk shows in their markets, and the ultimate voice of leadership for the staunch conservatives in washington.

      i also noticed that for the purposes of this comment, you and rush are republicans….but other times, you both deny and scorn the republicans and those “liberal-lite” members of the party.

      i always refer to rush as a conservative, not a republican. and real republicans aren’t rush’s supporters…just the extreme conservatives who don’t even want to be republicans by their own admission.

      ‘billalmighty said’

      ‘the problem here seems to be that the conservatives have this all backwards.

      Successful Republicans are traditionally moderate and have a much better appeal to voters than the right wing fanatics who have tried to call themselves republicans here lately.

      the conservatives need to stop trying to lay claim to an otherwise popular republican party, and form a conservative party. their numbers are too weak, however, which is why they continue to try to hijack the republican party as their own. who cares if they slander and cast out some of the solid politicians who actually helped the party’s image with the public instead of alienating them? lol.’

      i hope your walk was good.

      and n. korea is an issue….i’m waiting to hear from the right about what conspiracy and secret agenda obama is pursuing there, as well

    • m2elena said

      I didn’t say liberal media here, and if you look at my blog post comment back to Italco (relax and chill) and my other post (a good article) you’ll see how I feel about “media”… not “liberal media”.

      You might be confusing me with other people.

      Peoples definitions are all different and go back to their experiences in life…
      I don’t know any successful moderate Republicans that aren’t talking about liberal ideals. *shrugs*
      They sure don’t tell us about Republicanism or Conservatism. (Of which, Libertarian, Republican, Conservative are all the same to me, except 1 is strong on defense.)

      Is John Boehner one? He defends the Opposition outlook against the majority party. Is he a “moderate” Republican? Ha ha ha ha ha….

    • billalmighty said

      the “moderate republicans” are the ones you see as weak or liberal.

      there should be a “conservative party” for people who want to follow one strict set of ideals based on religious morality and class seperation. trying to take over the republican party isn’t the solution i/m/o. that will only lead to more bickering, labeling, and division.

      the conservatives don’t want to be inclusive of others, yet they want to be included BY others.

      it’s not going to work out that way.

    • italco said

      M2 – I will back you up, you did not say liberal media and you stand on the media being bias in one direction or the other is correct.

      I can explain why there is no successful Moderate Republicans defending the Conservative ideals. It is because they put their country before their own ideals and have been attacked for backing President Obama by the Conservative base. The conservatives are wrong in this case and can not admit it or even bend to be a part of this chapter of American History. There unwillingness to bend is destroying the republican party as a result. The moderates behavior is the correct model.

      Lets say the Conservatives and the Liberals were a married couple, America was the child, the Moderates (rep and dem) was the Judge, and they were going through a divorce. Both want custody but can not agree on the best interest of the child.

      The judge ruled in favor of custody to the liberals because it was in the best interest of the child based on the past behavior of the Conservative. Is there ever a real winner in a divorce battle? The conservatives will never get over being judged in that manner because they take it as a front to their ideals when in fact it is their behavior being judged…not their ideals.

      Bill – I agree but that would be like cutting their nose of to spite their face. Without the moderate republicans, the conservatives wouldn’t have the numbers to be an effective party any more than the liberals would without the moderate democrats. Just because the behavior of the conservative party is in a negative light right now, doesn’t mean they will never mend ways with the moderate republicans in the future…they just need to get over the loss, quit behaving inappropriately, and move forward with the rest of us.

    • m2elena said

      Y’all, we’re just a bunch of ideologues…

      I don’t share your viewpoint as a Conservative, Bill- though if you say John Boehner is a moderate, then pass the pints of beer let’s have a round on me! -I’ll agree to that. No one else has told me a name of a moderate.

      You have to love politically passionate people (and everyone here is one) because we never shut up!

      Thank you for the great discussion, Bill and Italco.
      Cheers.

    • billalmighty said

      m2elena said
      May 27, 2009 at 10:22 am

      I didn’t say “liberal” media. I said “media” and liberals. Ka-Pow!
      😀

      italco said
      May 28, 2009 at 9:34 am

      M2 – I will back you up, you did not say liberal media and you stand on the media being bias in one direction or the other is correct.

      NOW ME

      ok, TECHNICALLY you did say liberals on the net and the media.

      however, the context was that you asserted these were the two parties responsible for rush limbaugh and glen beck being the poster boys of the conservatives…

      i have been disagreeing with THAT notion…
      and i already know you think the media is liberal

      the implication that you made about carville’s poll indicated that carville used the media to release a poll that made rush seem to be the leader of the party, and that besides that, no one else was saying it or acting as if he was the leader

      my assertion is however, that dick cheney, karl rove, michael steele are the guys who are elevating rush to the top of the conservative command by their own public actions and statements. it has nothing to do with liberals or their propoganda.

      cheney, rove, and steele don’t listen to james carville or trust his polls.

      this is not a media diversion…it’s high profile conservatives who have made rush “the man”

      not liberal on the net OR the media

      mmkay?

    • billalmighty said

      moderate republicans:

      Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine)
      Sen. Susan Collins (Maine)
      Sen. George Voinovich (Ohio)
      Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
      Sen. Mel Martinez (Florida)
      Sen. John McCain (Arizona)
      Sen. Richard Lugar (Indiana)
      Sen. Robert Bennett (Utah)
      Sen. Thad Cochran (Mississippi)

    • billalmighty said

      mo moderate republicans:
      Colin Powell
      Rep. Christopher Shays (Connecticut)
      Rep. Michael Castle (Delaware)
      Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (New York)
      Rep. Mark Kirk (Illinois)
      Rep. Jim Kolbe (Arizona)
      Rep. Rob Simmons (Connecticut)
      Rep. Wayne Gilchrest (Maryland)
      Rep. Jim Leach (Iowa)
      Rep. Mary Bono (California)
      Rep. Nancy Johnson (Connecticut)

    • m2elena said

      alright, out of those- the only ones vocal as “republicans” are Powell who said “taxes are good and big gov’t is good” voted for all of the last Dem. presidents in the recent past: (see my first comment), and Snowe, who regularly votes with Democrats.

      *buzzz*

      thank you, try again.

      There are no Moderate Republican leaders.
      McCain was painted as an extremist (a changed man) during the election, he also voted for Keynesian bailouts which is uniquely Liberal.

    • m2elena said

      also, why is John Boehner not on that list? because he dares to disagree with alarming spending? He epitomizes republican conservatism.

    • billalmighty said

      hmmm. well, your opinion as to the level of moderate is coming into play here, so no matter what answer or what moderate republicans i name, you’re going to say they don’t really qualify as republicans. regardless of how he was “painted” during the presidential campaign, Mccain is a perfect example of someone that the entire world has defined as a moderate republican, except for you, and rush and the ultra-right. to you guys he’s liberal. to everyone else, including himself, he’s a moderate republican. do you get that? probably not, but i’m trying. the conservatives(you) don’t get to choose who is really republican and who isn’t. the republicans get to choose which conservatives are really republicans or not. it’s not the conservative party for the religious elite that excludes all others, even though that’s what the conservatives want.

      *yawn*

    • m2elena said

      then why’d you leave John Boehner off the list. He’s out there more vocal than McCain is.
      Why is he not your definition of “moderate”?

      I don’t care about definitions as I illustrated in my original comment and countless other times to you- when someone votes like a Democrat, they’re not a Republican.

      What’s the verdict on Boehner?

    • billalmighty said

      it’s a list of some moderate republicans, to some people

      a list of liberals to others

      even a list of conservatives, from some people’s perspective

      not everyone is on the list

      why the fixation on boehner?

      *double yawn*

    • m2elena said

      alright then, the only vocal republican making speeches is boehner and I suppose he would qualify under your definition of moderate. Excellent. I like him too. So does Rush.

    • m2elena said

      oh yeah, Mitch Mconnell is another great Republican “leader” … I guess he is under your moderate definition. And Rush likes him too. I like Mitch, he’s great.

    • billalmighty said

      really? all that to try to bait me into defining someone you and rush like as moderate? why would you want to do that?

      c’mon =/

    • billalmighty said

      m2, i can almost guarantee you that anyone that rush limbaugh likes politically, is not anyone i would call moderate

    • m2elena said

      come on “bait” that’s childs games. I illustrated the point that Rush and you agree on moderates. If you can’t tell me how they are not moderate, they must be moderate- under your definition.

    • billalmighty said

      any republican politician that rush limbaugh thinks is not a republican is my definition of a moderate republican

    • m2elena said

      well that’s libel accusation against their moderate records, but whatever floats your boat.

    • billalmighty said

      no, m2 🙂

      that was an exaggeration to be sarcastic

      i just meant you can’t pick who is conservative enough to be republican. neither can rush. that’s all.

      trying to get me to list every individual and laying out their records and outlining every reason that they are a moderate republican is not a trend i care to start with you. it will cut into good debate time doing bullshit research to justify our opinions. 😉

    • m2elena said

      I’m trying to figure out why they are not moderates.

      If you notice my first comment on this blog topic, it was pertaining to the subject. A man that says more gov’t and more taxes and votes the for the last 4 Democrat Presidents is not a repulbican. He is a RINO.

      Tom Ridge also cannot name 1 “moderate” Republican.

      The whole issue is a farce.
      I explained vividly and factually about Powell, and Ridge.

      There are no Republican “moderate leaders”, according to you people who are so consumed with the term “moderate”. The two most out spoken Republicans are Boehner and McConnell (on occasion Steele—who is missing from your list). If you don’t consider them “moderate” then I suppose the notion of “moderate leaders” leading Republicans is dead on arrival. Time for Rockefeller blue-bloods canvassing the internet and boob-tube to step aside. They’re not leading, they’re not representing Republican Ideals… they’re talking about more gov’t, and more taxes. They are the saddest representation of a Political party in modern history.

    • billalmighty said

      you’ve exhausted the “no such thing” bit.

      and i’m exhausted with saying it’s not for you or rush to decide who is moderate or not.

      you choose to make that judgement because you are conservative and therefore biased against those who aren’t conservative.

      you can repeat it as much as you want.

      it’s only the truth to you.

    • m2elena said

      all I need to say is what I said in my first comment.
      You can’t tell me a Republican Leader that stands to your qualifications. That no name list up there are people with lips tight shut. The ones talking vote Democratic, and push for taxes and big gov’t. Repliblicanism stands for smaller government less taxes. You total base for argument is futile.

    • billalmighty said

      i don’t have to futher qualify anyone as a moderate republican. there are many of them and they have existed nearly as long as the party.

      the fact that you and rush limbaugh deny their existence doesn’t make it true. whatever reason you’re runnning me around in this circle of who is “out there” and who is tight lipped is interesting, but irrelevant.

      you say a republican who votes for democrats or democratic things is a RINO. that’s your opinion. they could just be voting their conscience. but that’s not how conservatives see things.

      you can’t erase a group of people just because you and rush limbaugh have decided they don’t exist, based on your own biased opinions.

      nor can you bully me into fulfilling your demand for explanation of how moderate republicans are moderate. there is all kinds of information out there about moderate republicans. do your own research. you are the one with some radical views here claiming that there’s no such thing as a moderate republican, not me.

      can we lay this to rest soon?

    • m2 said

      yes! we’re both too stubborn this is what I feel like at this point..
      my final thought is a man brought forth as a “moderate” republican tells the people he sees Americans wanting more taxes and bigger government, and endorsed and voted for Obama. (That sure as hell doesn’t represent Republicanism or Libertarianism- unless you can prove that, I wasn’t aware the tenants of the parties had become the same.) That is a RINO! I don’t care what anyone else thinks, that’s my opinion. Superficial labels and uniforms, high ranking office don’t change what the man espouses as the only verbal, outspoken “moderate” republican identified by media and liberals.. and Bill. Ha ha! This is where we are now at:

    • billalmighty said

      🙂

  7. argh, my comment disappeared. Anyway, I just said I like Powell too, and think Limbaugh is turning the Republican party into a narrow-minded fringe party. The majority, moderate Republicans need to step up and fight back against the extremist view. But if they choose to be cowed by this loud-mouthed, angry bully, then that’s their choice. I would vote for someone like Powell. Never for someone like Cheney.

    • italco said

      HPGirl – I always love to hear your opinions on issues. I agree with you and second it. I am amazed how fearful they are of a talk radio host. I would really hate to see what would happen if they were faced with someone of real power. I can’t respect someone in power who stands up to a bully celebrity then appologizes when confronted about it. Why stand up in the first place….the guy is a radio talk show host!!!…and they are scared of him. I shake my head in utter disgust.

  8. Marc said

    Italco,
    Good post, and just so you know, I’m blogrolling you.

  9. Lette said

    I have to say you’re right on with this report! I commend Tom Ridge for calling a spade a spade. Newt, I’m not so sure what angle he’s playing. The party needs some fresh faces!

    • italco said

      I am not a big fan of Tom Ridge or of Newt and was surprise to see them step forward and back a moderate republican like Colin Powell whom I do respect. I am sure the “hate” squad will put some pressure on them…time will tell if they retract their statements…lol. How do you trust a party that caters to “hatred”…sure wish a new generation of quality republicans would emerge from this.

  10. italco said

    Geonight said – “I wish Tiferet and Malchut would get it on more often.”

    I had to google this expression but not sure if I understand the meaning. Tifernet – Harmony and Malchut – ability of self expression.

    Are you saying, by expressing ourselves with respect we can acheive harmony?

  11. The Red Pill said

    “The more they criticize him, the more Anti-American they paint themselves.”

    It’s anti-American to criticize Barack Obama?

    • italco said

      The Red Pill – Critcize? Is that what you call it? You could at least be respectful and refer to our president as President Barack Obama.

      To disagree with policy or to question his decisions is the right of all Americans. To “criticize” to the degree in which the “hate” squad base attempts to discredit and defame President Obama, Yes, it is Anti-American.

    • Geonite said

      Red pill, there’s respectful criticism and disrespectful criticism. What they do is disrespectful criticism.

    • The Red Pill said

      “The Red Pill – Critcize? Is that what you call it?”

      That’s what you called it.

      “You could at least be respectful and refer to our president as President Barack Obama.”

      I noticed you don’t refer to the prior executives as President Bush and Vice President Cheney, even though it is customary and respectful to do so.

      I also couldn’t help but notice one of your other commenters referring to the current president as “Obama.” I guess her vote was respect enough?

      “To disagree with policy or to question his decisions is the right of all Americans. To “criticize” to the degree in which the “hate” squad base attempts to discredit and defame President Obama, Yes, it is Anti-American.”

      So is this discrediting and defaming criticism that has nothing to do with policy or decisions also anti-American?

      “Hate, fear, lies, half-truths, insults, name calling, bottom feeder methods of sore losers.”

    • italco said

      Same tired arguments and deflections. Are you a sore loser too? I suppose you are going to deflect and cry until you get noticed. Here let me notice you….Hi, I understand your being upset. When I was disinfranchised over the past 8 years, I was upset too. I remember what it was like to have no voice. You are entitled to be a little upset but itsn’t it time to move on already…your same tired deflective argument is getting old. We are going to have an election in 2010 where you conservatives could actually get your voice back in congress, but because you are so focused on President Obama you will probably blow this election process too. You are only hurting yourselves. Sad really….

    • The Red Pill said

      “Same tired arguments and deflections.”

      What is it that I am deflecting?

      You’re the one deflecting here, as you have completely ignored every point I’ve made concering your hypocrisy. I avoided using that word in my previous comments, but since I’m now sore-loser that is just crying to be noticed, I may as well go all the way.

      You’ve called me out for using the word “criticize,” even though I was quoting your words.

      You’ve called me out for percieved disrespect toward Obama. While you ignore the fact that others here have referred to him the same way.

      And while ignoring the fact that you disrespect the prior president in the same way.

      You accuse people of “discrediting and defaming criticism” toward Obama, while you allow the same type of discrediting and defaming criticism of the prior administration.

      I call you out on your hypocrisy and double-standards, to which you reply that I am crying, and I’m the one deflecting?

    • italco said

      A little sensitive red? You can attempt to bait me all you want…the fact of the matter is, you can’t get past losing your voice in congress and are about to be silenced again in 2010. Instead of worrying about me and President Obama, you should be researching canidates in your area and figuring out which republican canidates you are going to match up against the democrats in the congressional and senate races.

      I am merely trying to wake you guys up….this is America…we are “all” Americans. We are on the same side. Get over losing the last election and join us in rooting out corruption from congress. We need a strong republican party to do this…not a party who can’t get past the Presidental election.

  12. Geonite said

    I agree but I hope we recover soon or a new party emerges because a one party country cannot be called a Democracy.

    • Geonite said

      EW I meant they not we.

      I’m an independent.

    • italco said

      Geonite – I hope so too. I wouldn’t mind seeing the independants form a viable party, but there seems to be too many ideologies and splinter groups.

      I think a solid third party would consist of Moderate Democrates merging together with Moderate republicans and Indepentants to form a third party (Democrats/moderates-independants/republicans). That would leave the republican party to the conservatives and the democratic party to the liberals. Could be interesting politics.

    • Geonite said

      That would be great. We need some moderation in this country.

      I wish Tiferet and Malchut would get it on more often.

  13. I have such a hard time believing that the majority of Republicans are in line with such nutjobs. There’s got to be a large enough crowd of “sensible” repubs that don’t go for the knock down, drag out tactics of these bullies. Get some balls, stand up and denounce those twerps!

    • italco said

      Yorks – I will have to check for sue, but I believe 25% of the republican party are moderate thinkers and would more than likely fall in line with Colin Powell. The other 75% of the party are starting to become weiry of the “hate” squad base. Once the ratings on Fox start to drop then their voices will subside. They are definately starting to loose support for their nonsense.

  14. jruthkelly said

    I’m not qualified to interject anything here even remotely relevant since my attitude towards political parties, strategies and agendas is one of general apathy and has served to place me mostly in a state of ignorance. And my apathy is a product of disgust overload. I almost didn’t vote at all in the presidential election. But Obama got my support. This latest debacle with Limbaugh is enough to seal my attitude towards this party. I hope Powell can bring dignity to the ridiculous charade simply so his presence can rectify the overall credibility of our nation. It seems rigged though. We have Limbaugh and we have Powell. You couldn’t pick two more polarized figures. One is a badly drawn caricature whose obviousness eclipses any notion of credibility or relevance(and those who find him credible are frightening to me). The other? He is almost impossible to criticize. It’s too weird. Feels like we’ve stepped into the Twilight Zone.

    • italco said

      Ruth – I completely understand. I remember when Bush and Cheney won their second term and how disinfranchised I felt as an American citizen. The divid between the common man and government widen so far that most of us lost faith in our government. I will have to second Auntie’s comment. This polorization and “almost staged” process will be ironed out in the republican primary. What most of them don’t know…This election coming up in 2010 is going to send a major message. They are so focused on President Obama and his administration that 2010 will seal their voices in silence due to their inability to recognize what they are doing to their own party. As Yorks above said…they need to denonce the “hate” squad and get behind a figure the democrats can not criticize without it back firing on them. The democrats have that in President Obama. The more they criticize him, the more Anti-American they paint themselves.

  15. Auntiebjw said

    Hate, fear, lies, half-truths, insults, name calling, bottom feeder methods of sore losers. It didn’t help them win the election. They are still throwing tantrums. No one takes them seriously. No one can revive them. Their reputation is impugned. They bash but have no answers. I can barely wait until the Republican primary. Maybe Cheney will run — and run — and run — until he goes back to an undisclosed location.

    • italco said

      Auntie – I don’t want America to become a one party nation. I truely would love to see a “good” mix of republicans and democrats who “all” have the best interest in their country at heart. I am saddened and angry witnessing what these “hate” squad republicans are doing to this country. Feeding americans this negative sentiment and teaching their children how to hate without just cause.

      The scary part is just how many of them there are…I half suspect them to join the KKK and the Skin Heads in some kind of uprising. It was one thing when we had to keep our eyes on these types but now this “hate” squad base shows many signs of similarity. I hope the primary weeds them out but I am having my doubts. You can’t fix ignorance!

  16. Nate Fakes said

    I totally agree with all of this! Good read. The Republicans are pretty clueless, and now they’re scattering for ways to “fit in”.

    • italco said

      Hi Nate, I hope they come around. We just went through 8 years of rape and pillage to our country and there were dirty democrats, as well as republicans, in congress that were at fault…and many are still there. 88% of congress is up for re-election and I don’t think the republicans are a strong enough party to root out the corrupt Dems. We may be stuck with them in congress because the “hate” squad can’t get over losing the last election. They need to put country first…Thank you for visiting and leaving a comment, you are welcome anytime.

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